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February 20, 2007 8:35 am

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March 22, 2007 12:26 pm

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Re: Discuss article: "A hole in security: postal web-interface"

That's a cool article!
Half of mail-boxes is based on NeoWebMail or Horde IMP...
This method really works hh


 

 

March 22, 2007 2:55 pm

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Re: Discuss article: "A hole in security: postal web-interface"

I'm extremely surprised that people keep inventing javascripts and applets for ports' run-through at the time when everything that hacker needs is transmitted openly smile


 

 

March 22, 2007 3:07 pm

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Re: Discuss article: "A hole in security: postal web-interface"

I know such an online store system where everyone can open his own department (it is temporary or something like that) smile


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March 22, 2007 3:37 pm

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Re: Discuss article: "A hole in security: postal web-interface"

They seem to be likely to make it convenient for customers. But it is nonsense smile
Generally no one knows what can be done with servers of some 'leading' providers working with freeware...
This freeware seems to be of mass usage and it is connected with money. But each server has got a postal system of its own.


 

 

March 22, 2007 3:53 pm

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Re: Discuss article: "A hole in security: postal web-interface"

I even don't know what to say... Some time ago I made something like this just for interest (I mean seacurity). It was simpler. ID was generated according to IP, password or something else and this ID was verified and regenerated and entered into the base. This method is rather cruel for a user (by refresh attempt he was thrown back to login) but it worked and no one has managed to break it by the time smile


 

 

March 23, 2007 8:23 am

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Re: Discuss article: "A hole in security: postal web-interface"

Something similar is discussed on the forum. I’ve suggested a method of my own there. Here are two cookies. One of them contains login and another one contains hash from the time of page loading, password hash and letter ‘Z’. Program enters the base, takes entry with such login, composes a hash and compares it with the one got from cookie.

Oops! IP isn’t checked!!! It is written on hackzone that javascript can extract cookie. And this means it can be transmitted to a hacker. Sure, IP-verification should be added  smile


 

 

March 23, 2007 8:36 am

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Re: Discuss article: "A hole in security: postal web-interface"

It doesn’t mean anything… This hole has existed for ages!


 

 

March 23, 2007 8:48 am

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Re: Discuss article: "A hole in security: postal web-interface"

And I have automatized breaking  smile  But I don’t claim to have fame of its discoverer.

Last edited by n00bphp (March 23, 2007 8:48 am)


 

 

March 23, 2007 8:58 am

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Re: Discuss article: "A hole in security: postal web-interface"

And I have tried it basing on SpyLog which enables referrers’ view and shows where they have come to the page from. We create ‘hello world’, insert spylog into it, send link to the page over free of charge e-mails. And then we view the page statistics.
But this variant is for those who don’t want to deal with setting up a server of their own.


 

 

March 23, 2007 9:08 am

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Re: Discuss article: "A hole in security: postal web-interface"

The thing is that a user is deprived of his mail-box within some seconds from that moment when he applies to a ‘photo’ or clicks a link.


 

 

March 23, 2007 9:14 am

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Re: Discuss article: "A hole in security: postal web-interface"

It doesn't matter to me.
First my guard cuts off Referrer.
And second I take my mail with Bat.


 

 

March 23, 2007 12:16 pm

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Re: Discuss article: "A hole in security: postal web-interface"

We are not speaking about Bat.
It's better to save session IDs in cookies - the users are rather to switch them on then complain about breaking afterwards. Otherwise you aren't protected - anyone may enter and take anything he wants.


 

 

March 23, 2007 12:35 pm

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Re: Discuss article: "A hole in security: postal web-interface"

It’s an interesting idea about getting referrer. Many sites (and to be more precise, their contents) are protected with referrer verification only. How is it possible to form http-request heading by means of PHP? Although this question may seem rather strange it is related to security  smile  As you’ve already guessed it is necessary for linking images from the paid sites  smile


 

 

March 23, 2007 1:17 pm

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Re: Discuss article: "A hole in security: postal web-interface"

detail> javascript can extract cookie as well.
How is it possible?! As I understand the theory cookies are submitted to that host only from which they have been recorded i.e. if there is request http://main/index.php in which setcookie ('name', 'value'), the user’s browser will send this cookie when applying to index.php But if I insert an image from another host (for instance, http://hacker/image.gif) within index.php, the browser won’t send my cookie with request as far as it is the other host. Well, if you try to replace image.gif with javascript, you won’t succeed as well. It simply won’t be handled as far as the browser expects to get an image on img-tag not text. And how is it possible at all for javascript to extract cookie from other host? I’ve lost inside my guesses…Where is the hole?  smile


 

 

March 23, 2007 1:39 pm

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There is nothing better than http-authorizartion… Once I’ve made system of user sessions administration for one e-shop and I’ve used it for user’s authorization. I’ve saved in cookies session’s number for user’s basket only and thus even if you’ve managed to find out session number you nevertheless won’t be able to enter user’s profile without password…That’s it…


 

 

March 23, 2007 1:47 pm

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Re: Discuss article: "A hole in security: postal web-interface"

And what if I have proxy and local hidden behind it? In such a case one IP identifies a lot of people. It seems to be likely to let the first one through but as to the second one…  sad


 

 

March 23, 2007 1:57 pm

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Re: Discuss article: "A hole in security: postal web-interface"

Could you possibly write a template of socket which changes password, for instance, on 1111111 and sends me a letter that the mail has been broken.
And where could it be placed?


 

 

March 23, 2007 2:04 pm

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Re: Discuss article: "A hole in security: postal web-interface"

Take a program like Proxomitron and view what comes outside. Look up the PHP-manual to find out how to post the same.


 

 
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